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VIDEO: O'Malley Announces Plans To Sponsor Gay Marriage Bill

Legislators and supporters confident governor's involvement will secure passage in 2012.

 
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O'Malley Announces Plans to Sponsor Gay Marriage Bill
Legislators and supporters confident Governor's involvement will secure passage in 2012.

Gov. Martin O'Malley announced plans on Friday to introduce legislation supporting gay marriage in 2012. 

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6:09 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

In a letter to the Governor, Archbishop Edwin O’Brien, chairman of the Maryland Catholic Conference, joined many others in our state in urging the Governor not to take this step, which we believe so clearly conflicts with the best interests of our society. We continue to urge members of the Maryland General Assembly not to allow this issue to be driven by partisan politics, and to give full and fair consideration to the legitimate reasons why our state should maintain its recognition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The moral and social impacts of redefining marriage would be pervasive and severe. Stripping marriage of its unique connection to parenthood disregards the reasons why government has always elevated marriage over all other relationships as the fundamental building block of society. Treating heterosexual and same-sex relationships differently is not unjust discrimination. Upholding the truth of marriage furthers the rights and equal dignity of all human persons by promoting a social fabric where children can benefit from the unique gifts of a mother and a father.

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Mark

8:06 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

God loves everyone but he despises sin. Condoning immoral acts is not something He would do, this is well documented in the Bible.

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Louis Richards

8:29 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Perhaps the archbishop should remember that not all Marylanders are followers of the pope, and that those of us who aren't (and even some of those who are) don't give a rat's patootie about what he says. If he doesn't want his followers to have gay marriages, he should tell them - NOT the rest of us. Perhaps he should focus more on all the sexual abuse of children perpetrated by priests and leave the rest of us alone. Or worry about inner city parishes that don't have the resources to serve their communities.

And if you look closely at this bill, it allows for civil marriages - it doesn't say that churches have to perform same sex marriages.

My freedom of religion includes the freedom FROM your religion!

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Louis Richards

8:36 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Could someone please tell me what Jesus had to say about what-is-known-in-today's- society as homosexuality?

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PastorLorenzo Epps

10:47 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

@Louis...Jesus would invite the homosexuals, prostitutes, homeless, diseases into his life into his church and pray for and with them and love them...Louis...you have made valid, well written points and asked the appropriate questions...well said sir...WELL SAID! God bless you! (:-)

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Mark Patro

8:38 am on Sunday, July 24, 2011

The creation in Civil Law is the opportunity for same-sex couples to gain MARRIAGE EQUALITY and has nothing to do with the church. It will however, affect society. I will NOT diminish the INSTITUTION of heterosexual marriage. It will LIFT UP those in the Gay & Lesbian community that want to live a stable life-long commitment and as a consequence it will lift up society. Continuing to deny inclusion of committed Gay & Lesbian couples in this legal commitment is immoral and discriminatory. It is also harmful to LGBT families and their children. Shame on any organization that calls itself a church that embraces such discrimination. Churches that continue in this vain are making themselves invalid in the 21st century.

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Robert Armstrong

6:22 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

Life's too short. If it makes them happy then let them do it.

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Roxane

6:49 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

I used to see OweMalley at Mass when I worked in the city looking very devout and pious. I wonder how he rationalizes this decision since it goes so against his faith? I guess it's just for the votes.

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Mark Patro

8:21 am on Sunday, July 24, 2011

Supporting same-sex marriage does not go against the faith of Catholic people. It goes against the views of the "royal" hierarchy of the institution of the Catholic Church; the intention of which it to guide and control the minds and thus the behavior and politics of its followers. Catholics in the pews, who have their own consciences are in large numbers (48%) supporting same-sex marriage. The Governor is one of them. And, I for one applaud his leadership on this issue. I'm sure Jesus would support his actions on this issue.

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Tom Barnes

6:44 am on Friday, July 29, 2011

Roxane - It is interesting when folks post insults. I often wonder if they are deflecting those things they actually see as faults within themselves. Sarcastic demonization of a fellow Catholic.... to what end? Judge not lest ye be judged. ;)

Karen

6:53 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

Your personal, religious beliefs really have no bearing on other people's civil rights. I could care less what the Archbishop says. To me, he is just a man in a funny costume. Last time I checked, we were not all Catholic. Get over your moral superiority complex.

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walker

7:06 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

the whole state has spiraled out of control. as always everyone follows everyone else. people are to scared to voice how the really feel in fear. our world is nothing but followers. greed. anger. and vanity.

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DCMerkle

2:25 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Sen. Brochin heard how everyone was voicing their opinion and none of those speaking had the common sense to clean up what they had to say. They burned their own side to the ground.

bonny

7:14 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

First he wants to send Illegals to school on money this state doesn't have now because NY passes a law he wants to play follow the leader ..Hey watch out you don't off a bridge next.
This Governor is clueless and I for one didn't vote for him.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

10:16 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

this little o doesn't even hail from maryland! When he was mayor of baltimore...he did nothing...the inner harbor became more violent, and started to fall apart even more than with the previous mayor. It's time for marylanders to do for themselves....as for illegals in the system...WHY WOULD MARYLANDERS ALLOW THEIR TAX MONEY AND SPACE IN THESE INSTITUTIONS TO BE USED?

Selma Kahl

7:47 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

I did not vote for him, but I support him on this subject. We all grow in wisdom. I am not sure I am correct. And I believe this new idea, is fair to those that want to create a union based on love. The divorce rate is high, so the only man and women idea is not always working. Some one sex unions have outlasted, the tradiional.

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Pam Newhart

11:12 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

I love my dog. Can I marry him? That is the next step, i guarantee.

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Bob

8:00 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Equal rights for all! I love and want to marry my cat. Why can't I do this?? I love him...yes, I'm a male who loves a male cat. While I'm at it, let me marry my son - I love him too.

Lisa Ward

8:04 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

This is a wonderfuland and brave gesture of civic mindedness: respecting religious freedom and securing equal treatment under the law. Yes indeed.

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Nick DiMarco

8:31 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

A comment left by user "Ezekel" on Friday at 8:13 p.m. has been deleted because it violated Patch's terms of use. The terms can be found here: http://timonium.patch.com/terms

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PastorLorenzo Epps

10:17 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

I'm having a hard time believing that nick...I left a one line comment that violated nothing and it was removed...care to explain?

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PastorLorenzo Epps

10:19 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

p.s. comments are meant to be read to get a feel for the climate...if you are going to edit out everything you don't like...might as well be communist soviet union. my point...we are adults...we don't NEED you or anyone to edit out our comments! SHAME!

shirley carroll

8:58 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

It is a sad day in Maryland when our Governor and legislators dare to call it "dignity" to recognize gay marriage when God calls the act an abomination (disgusting). Would to God more people in this nation would stand up for the Word of God and not yield to the pressures of groups who love to promote and "equalize" marriage of gay partners..which is "not" a real marriage, but, a farce..

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Maria

9:41 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

The government should stay out of the institution of marriage as it is a religious union between a man and woman, with procreation at its core. I disagree with the argument that gay men and women should be able to get married because it is their right and it makes them happy -- what if we let child molesters do what makes them happy? Would that be right?

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Nick

9:45 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

I guess he doesn't see anything wrong with a man fornicating with another man's rectum. If this is progress then I guess its time for me to move to a less "progressive" state. The taxes are growing out of control here anyway thanks to the liberal "spend without thought" policy.

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Patrick Klinedinst

10:25 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

I completely agree with O'Malley on this one. I dont care if the church goers say this is wrong it goes against gods will. I would vote for this bill until the day I die. You show me die hard physical proof that god exists and ill vote it down.

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walker

10:30 pm on Friday, July 22, 2011

sounds like some one will be checking in hell hotel when he dies.

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MDPatriot

1:05 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

What a goofball! He's either eyeing up 1600 Pensylvania Avenue in 2016 or, Mikulski's seat in the U.S. Senate when she retires.,,,,,,,like we really need another one with Obama's Socialist ideals being forced upon us! Enough is enough!

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Brad

1:17 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

I'm sorry. I love how "christians" believe that Jesus would not be for this bill. Jesus was about love and compassion for fellow man....not jingoistic bigotry and hatred. God loves me. And I love another man. Get over it. We don't want to get married in some republican trailer park anyway...don't worry.

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Dan

8:31 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Don't be angry. If you're against same sex marriages for religious purpose that is your God given right, and in holding this position you should encourage your church not to recognize the marriages...I wouldn't even be against that, because, again, it is your right. But to say that the government should not allow two consenting adults be legally recognized as a married couple is definitely a denial of civil rights. In terms of social justice, I do believe this is a step in the right direction. For those that support same sex marriages, do not get discouraged by those who are against you. A good section of this country was against desegregation and the abolishment of slavery...but in the end justice prevailed. For the "Christians" that chastise and condemn these people, I would like to see some New Testament scriptural defense in opposition to same sex marriages. Try to stay away from the St.Paul letters, St.Paul changed his mind like a teenagers change their facebook relationship statuses.

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helpussomeone

8:33 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

I see Owe'Malley has his priorities straight. Let's worry about Gay Marriage instead of finding ways to create jobs for all those unemployed! Brilliant! Politics at it's best!

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Leroy Smith

9:14 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011

Robert Ehrlich tried to help Marylanders when he was Governor. Unfortunately the Democratically controlled Maryland state legislature kept his hands tied. Remember he had tried to help the Maryland school system especially in Baltimore City. Then Mayor Martin O'Malley refused the help. Ehrlich wanted to get the casino business up and running in Maryland. His hands were tied once again by the State Legislature. Now the State of Maryland has gambling, but are way behind the states of PA, DE, W.VA and other states in the desirability of coming here to gamble. All we have is slot machines. Maryland is constantly behind the eight ball and nothing but a follower, never a leader. The only thing Maryland leads in is crime and high taxes thanks to the short-sighted greedy politicians that control it.

betty coakley

8:54 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Can we possibly approach the current situation in Maryland as more than political issues - except that it really is beginning to look like O'Malley does have a questionnable agenda. He and his allies have been busy this week. One ally has two problems. Beverley K. Swain-Staley is the appointee as Secretary of Transportation, did not need legislative approval, and heads an agency with a budget of 3.8 BILLION dollars. Earlier, the auditors for SHA, part of DOT, turned over the failed audit to the Attorney General - fraud in millions of dollars in awarding highway contracts. (This woman couldn't get a job in Baltimore County and was fired by a Democrat in Montgomery County. She will decide the Hatem Bridge tolls.) Then yesterday O'Malley appoiinted Marcus Brown, another ally, to head the state police. This is the Marcus Brown who has been the head of the MDAT pollice. He was with the governor in Baltimore, and left there in a scandal. They arranged for him to get full retirement without the benefit of fulfiling the length of time for a pension. His boss has been Beverley K. Swain-Staley. In an earlier post I stated that I had heard that the status of the MDAT police - those 'cops' who crowd Rt. 40 - would be enhanced. I guess the governor and Beverley couldn't find a state police captain, or any other well trained policeman, in Maryland who qualfied under their 'standards'. (see next post)

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Scott in Towson

9:04 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Thanks, Gov. O'Malley! You a courageous Governor, and it's why we elected you in a landslide! Thank God! Cheers!

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betty coakley

9:20 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Continued - The timing of this announcement, when two scandalous issues are on the governors table, is highly questionnable, and one could reasonably wonder if this is either a diversion, or an effort at a division. The issue is one that deserves serious discussion not tainted by politics. Before I am accused of heaven knows what let me say that a come from a family of serious Democrats. I just believe that this is still a government of people power where ethics are primary. From what has come out of the governors office this week, there are a lot of questions to ask, and have answered. And the govrernors political ambitions, and the ambitions of his cronies, should not decide important moral issues.

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Linda Borneman

10:36 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Well said, well-explained and I so agree that the governor's political ambitions should not decide not only important moral issues but ALL ISSUES regarding the state of Maryland. Integrity the man has not.

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Tom Barnes

6:49 am on Friday, July 29, 2011

Betty - I am hoping that our Governor - actually our Government - can multitask. Most of us juggle many things in our own homes and at work. If they can't, they have no reason to be in office. ;)

Regardless, the bottom line still remains: There is NEVER a bad time for equality. There is never a wrong time to make sure EVERY Marylander is granted the exact same rights, privilages and responsibilities. That is, if you believe in that sort of thing.

David Hyland

9:34 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

In the last 2.8 years we've seen "LIBERAL AGENDA'S" forced on us and Citizens need to draw the line somewhere because WE HAVE RIGHTS TOO. Maybe it's time to change our players and demand a TRUE GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE. Our "Elected Leaders" have turned away from Moral Fabric, Constitutional rights, Patriotism, and the people they allegedly represent. Instead of hearing us, "they do as they see fit regardless of what we little people think, “THEY PLACE PARTY POLITICS FIRST". Well, how do you like being FORCED INTO COMPLIANCE by those ELECTED TO REPRESENT us? Are you enjoying your HOPE AND CHANGE? Unemployment is high and Homeless shelters are busting at the seams as whole families live in tents "DO YOU THINK THEY CARE ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE"? THEY'RE IN THE HEAT, LIVING DAY TO DAY WHILE GAY MARRIAGE GETS O’MALLEY’S TOP PRIORITY. We were founded so people CAN MARRY WHO THEY WISH, WORSHIP HOW THEY WANT, LIVE WITHOUT FEAR OF TAX (ELECTED LEADERS) / OPPRESSION. We're here because our founders wanted freedom bad enough to drop everything and sail into the unknown. Maryland’s unfriendly to businesses and they leave us in droves, Communities cry for REAL leadership and "ELECTED SERVANTS" head to Annapolis to worry about issues that cause divisions in society instead of FIXING THE MESSES THEY MADE. We keep voting the same people into office, "look where it's gotten us today". Who cares if Gays get married, we live our way, they live theirs WITHOUT FORCING IT ON US!

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PastorLorenzo Epps

10:40 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

HALLELUJAH! Well said sir...WELL SAID!

Alicia

9:35 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

I think some people forget that not everyone is the same religion, you cant make laws because one group (religious or other) believes it is wrong. There was a group of people that thought black Americans shouldn't have the same rights as white Americans but thankfully someone had the nerve to stand up and say that discriminating against one group of people just isn't right.. All human beings should have the same civil rights, black, white, straight or gay, etc we are all humans and citizens of this great country. If your religion says its a sin then don't marry someone of the same sex. Adultery is also a sin but as far as I know cheating on your wife/husband isn't against the law and I haven't received the petition yet to make it that way. Honor thy father and mother, also a commandment but I don't see the police arresting disobedient children. If your religion follows certain rules then follow them but don't expect everyone else to have to follow them as well. I believe God loves EVERYONE he told us that... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

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PastorLorenzo Epps

10:20 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Just want to be clear on my stance....when the state recognizes marriage to anyone...that is a civil right...the church will not recognize these marriages...I will not step on anyones civil rights by using religion belief etc.

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Robert Armstrong

10:43 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

What do you mean THE church? Plenty of religions allow same sex marriage.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

11:21 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

come on robert...I think you know I mean catholic/christian...come on now. sorry i wasn't as thorough as you would have liked.

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Robert Armstrong

11:22 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

The Episcopal Church isn't Christian???

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Robert Armstrong

11:36 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

The Unit Church of Christ has been supporting same sex marriage for a long time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4651803.stm

Linda Borneman

10:44 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

I hate the term "religious"...it doesn't speak to the Christians who walk by faith according to God's word. It refers to those who play "Christian." God says that you'll know a Christian "by their fruit". Many claim to be Christian, but are so, in name only, not by thought or deed. So name calling, judgement passing and anger is not appropriate here. .As a born-again Christian, I do not call myself "religious" and do not have a "religion". I am a follower of Jesus Christ and have a relationship with Him....just sayin'.

As far as gay rights go, I do think that issues such as the economy, the unemployment rate and the ever-increasing Maryland tax rate deserves more focus from Governor O'Malley and this is just an observation, not a judgement: I have to wonder if he's just jumping on the popular social bandwagon that Governor Cuomo of New York is riding high on, while setting his sights on Senator Milkulski's Senate seat down the road. Seems pretty transparent, to me....but maybe not. ; )

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PastorLorenzo Epps

11:20 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

well said and interesting...I never thought of milkulskis seat.

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Bill Lawson

12:42 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Very well said. Thanks Linda.

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Mark Patro

12:50 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011

The civil rights movement to include gay and lesbians in all spheres of civil rights began a long time ago. Civil disobedience with Frank Kameny started in the 1950's. Employment and housing civil rights to include gays & lesbians were passed in Baltimore 1987 (24 years ago.) There is nothing new about this effort. To call the work that people have been doing for more than 60 years "popular social bandwagon" is offensive and exposes how little attention some people show to history. We have had at least four recessions since the end of the 1950's. It is an obnoxious idea to put anyone's civil rights on hold while political parties AGAIN argue the evolution of their economic philosophy.

David Hyland

10:54 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Here here! The right to marry is Civil and has nothing to do with Religion unless you choose to have YOUR RELIGION OFFICIATE UNDER "YOUR" GOD. Who cares if you want to marry "What does it have to do with your relationship and your God". My point is much deeper into the Political Agendas we have infiltrating our rights. We have ELECTED SERVANTS using "Agendas" as tools to GET VOTES. What about the rights of those people living in boxes and tents? What about the entire families forced out of their homes because the Political Machine made deals in OUR NAME (THE VOTERS). Jobs have been lost because they place harsh restrictions on businesses in Maryland until they turn tail and RUN! We need to be who we were before PROUD AND FREE AMERICANS! Lets send CLEAR MESSAGES TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THIS STATE. LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY! Enough of DEALS AND MANIPULATION so you look good on election day. Americans have grown over the last 2.5 years "Hope and Change"..........Well, where is it?

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PastorLorenzo Epps

11:13 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

It is offensive that "our government" has allowed whole families to be forced into homeless shelters.....all of those homes bulldozed around the country that couldn't be sold...should have been given to those forced out of their homes....bush and obama should have done this! these so called leaders are confounded....and have no compass ...moral or otherwise...commensense should have told both of those leaders to stimulate small business....to start public works projects run completely by the government....to increase teacher pay at all levels of education and to increase class rooms to train for the new economy...I knew this president was in trouble in the first 3-6 months of his office......first thing should have been first....stimulus package for small business, those recently removed from their homes, and for education. the education of our children is in steady decline...there should be three qualified teachers to every class room with a class room no bigger than 30 pupils......I am just disgusted with these so called leaders who lie cheat steal and in some cases physically enslave the populace...enough!

Pam Newhart

11:28 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

I think there is serious political motivation behind this. We have bigger fish to fry than gay people wanting to get married. If they truly want all the good, they must accept the bad as well- ie. alimony, custody disputes, community property etc. Go ahead, do the research. Gay people getting married in states that allow it and then moving to non allowing states and trying to live, or get divorced, what a nightmare. If everyone were nice and just got married and lived happily ever after there would be far fewer objections to this bill. It is all the unintended consequences that are the problem. No one seems to think further than the nose on their face.

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Common sense, please

11:38 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

The Archbishop needs to excommunicate O'Malley. No Catholic who is practicing their faith can support gay marriage. God speaks of His plan for man in the book of Genesis. And Jesus tells the fornicator to "Go AND SIN NO MORE...". Let them have civil arrangement but MARRIAGE is sacramental. This issue will be on the ballot.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

11:44 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

civil arrangement or civil marriage whatever you want to call it....I like what you said bernadette...pray for others after you tell them how you feel. No need for us folks to argue.

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Robert Armstrong

11:48 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

The Archbishop needs to excommunicate the Haters that signed the anti DREAM ACT petition too.

Bill Lawson

11:43 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Jesus didn't split the world between sinners and non-sinners, or good and bad or in this context, gay or straight. Jesus split the world between sinners who admitted their sin and sinners who did not admit their sin. One of the biggest problems the "religious" had with Jesus was that Jesus welcomed sinners. Jesus was friends with sinners. The bible says "Jesus came not to judge, but to save" John 3:17.

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Linda Borneman

2:17 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

I don't mean to digress but I must comment that Bill's point about Jesus is true. Jesus was misunderstood by the "religious - the Sanhedrins" of His time as they were quick to judge Jesus' lovingkindness toward ALL men. They were only interested in rituals, laws and judgement, whereas, Jesus was/IS more concerned with matters of the HEART. Jesus DID come to save not to destroy or to condemn. "For ALL have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)....AND, "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death." (Romans 8:1,2)...my point? The posters on this board who are pointing fingers at "religion" and the "religious" people, I have to say you are not speaking of TRUE followers of Christ. As I mentioned previously, you will know a true Christian by his spiritual fruit: "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." (Galations 5:22, 23). So please don't group all Christians together as non-loving and judgmental. Unfortunately, in the case of Christianity, a few bad apples DO indeed spoil the whole bunch in the eyes of non-believers.

lynn

11:45 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Been lurking here and just wanted to jump in for a second. I think the main issue I have with this is the word, MARRIAGE. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. Period. If two people of the same sex want to be joined together in a ceremony, they have the right to do so. However, it should be a civil union. And I've had this discussion with friends who ARE gay. Just like the whole Illegal aliens VS OMalley's "new American's" I think since we are supposedly a democracy, it should be left up to the people to vote and decide.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

11:53 am on Saturday, July 23, 2011

@lynn...I wonder if part of the problem is that gay folks want the word marriage and the rights that go along with it...also...no ones rights should be up for a vote ever. Maybe we need to stop being afraid of words and see how this is affecting people...let's give each other love. (:-)

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Louis Richards

12:59 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

For those of you who are saying that marriage is mainly for procreation: are you saying that women who have had hysterectomies or men who have had vasectomies shouldn't be allowed to get married? What about women who are past menopause - they can't bear children - should they be prohibited from marrying? What if a young couple announces that they will take all precautions to preclude the wife from getting pregnant - will you prevent them from marrying?

If you are so concerned about the 'sanctity of marriage', where is your outrage over the extremely high divorce rate or the number of couples that live together without getting married? And I won't even start on the Hollywood marriages that only last a few days or weeks.

For years, people have said that gays are promiscuous and can't settle down. Now there are gay couples who want to publically declare that they want to be in a serious monogamous relationship/union/marriage - yet you want to deny them that right? What business is it of yours?

It seems like this is more of an anti-O'Malley thing than an intelligent discussion on your part. And I still think the archbishop has more serious issues to deal with WITHIN his church than to worry about the rest of us.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

1:03 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

lol....nice...i likey your comment....lol...(;-)

lynn

1:18 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Pastor, everything in the Constitution is based on people's rights. The rights of: Freedom of Speech, Religion, Assembly,Arm themselves, etc......We also have the right to vote! So, don't understand your line that "no ones rights should be up for a vote ever". That has me perplexed! I objest to the term "marriage", I stated above. If they want to be united in a "civil union" fine, and I think that they should be entitled to the same benefits as their partner. Some might say that the three words Marriage and Civil Union is just splitting hairs, but to me marriage is between man and woman. And I am most certainly not afraid of words! As for love, there are many kinds of love, love for a husband or wife, a sister, a brother, a dog or pet, aunt(s), uncle(s), extended family, friends, country, the flag and what it represents, and the lists goes on and on. I'd like to take a vote and see how many people would support a same sex couple being joined in civil union and be afforded all the benefits. But then, that would go against your beliefs.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

2:08 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

i'm not going to codify my beliefs for you or anyone.

walker

2:02 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

i would like to take my vote for governor back please. i am sorry mr ehrlich i made a mistake.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

2:07 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

@lynn Love is Gods Love! I understand what you are saying...and it is splitting hairs. You don't have the right to vote on someones civil rights! EVER! If people who are gay want Marriage...who are we to say no...it's none of our business. My beliefs aren't as simple as what I've written...and i'm not going to codify my beliefs for you or anyone.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

2:33 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Maryland and this country need LEADERS! NOT POLITICIANS!

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walker

3:04 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

amen pastor lorenzo this whole state has gone to hell we need a real person to be a real leader tired of these followers and liars.

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Pat

5:26 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Just to chime in... I do not believe the govt has the right to say who may or may not enter into a loving committed relationship. There is a disconnect between those who oppose the " nanny state" but also want the govt to deny marriage/cilvil union rights to some Americans. Also, how dare the govt tell a church who they may or may not marry? There are some churches that wish to bless same sex unions and some who do not, That should be the option of the community of believers who support each individual church. Just my 2 cents...

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Chris

6:02 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

@ Robert Armstrong, your comment..."The Archbishop needs to excommunicate the Haters that signed the anti DREAM ACT petition too." Care to elaborate why I am a HATER just because I signed the DREAM ACT petition?? How is that being a HATER?? I signed a petition that gives the REAL registrered voters of this state the opportunity to vote on a law regarding in state tuition for ILLEGAL immigrants. That's all it takes for someone to be a HATER in your book??? Sounds like you are the real HATER. You HATE having fiscal responsibility. You HATE keeping your money in your pocket. I'm sure you HATE a balanced budget amendment for the US Government. No need to comment, I've got you figured out...

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RW Willy

6:58 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Really? The food would be better and if I didn't kill anyone I wouldn't get killed. Oh, its those 10 pesky commandments aint it? How awful it would be if EVERYONE lived by the Bible that you promote as a tool? I think it would be great. I think there was a lot of acceptance in a little town named Sodom, remember it?

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PastorLorenzo Epps

8:17 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

If folks lived by the bible commandments they would shut up and pray unceasingly.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

10:00 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

@tim...I made a comment...not a judgement..if you have a problem with that...well...that's your problem. God bless you Tim.

David Hyland

7:54 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

The Governor has plans for "HIGHER OFFICE". He's willing to make deals and ignore other MORE SERIOUS problems so Gays get a honeymoon!; his focus is to get the GOLDEN GAY VOTE !. Meanwhile, businesses are "BREAK LEG RUNNING" out of Maryland on his watch while everything else gets the back burner. It's nice to know how dedicated and true this Governor really is. People are hungry, worried about their future since Hope and Change, students can't find part time jobs, unemployment is higher now than ever, AND "AGAIN" OVER 1000 PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS AND LIVING IN TENTS ALL AROUND DUNDALK. ALL THIS "WHILE MARTIN WORRIES ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE". It's nice to know we have our priorities in order Governor! I didn't think I would be able to sleep until you dedicated so much effort to Gay Marriage. Seriously friends, why do we keep electing these same DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVANTS Haven't you had enough of this mess? Issues FIRST, Gay Marriage Later!

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PastorLorenzo Epps

8:19 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

Like
we keep electing so many so called leaders because no REAL LEADERS ARE STEPPING FORTH! I don't care if you have a checkered pass...SO LONG AS YOU CAN LEAD AND LEAD WELL!

Zen'ichi Maro

8:16 pm on Saturday, July 23, 2011

this is excellent news. Thank you, Gov. O'Malley, for your courage on this issue. It's about time that same sex couples receive the same rights as their hetero counterparts. Equal protection under the law.

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Tim

12:24 am on Sunday, July 24, 2011

Dear Pastor Lorenzo Epps:

Here's an idea for you.

You stay out of government's definition of "marriage".
The government continues to avoid dictating to your sad ass "religion" what marraige is.

note I said "continues to".

Get over yourselves, if you think - for a moment- that God doesn't love all of his children, then you simply have failed in your calling, as unfortunate as it is.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

11:09 am on Sunday, July 24, 2011

I hardly need advice from you tim...your condemnation of my comment isn't needed and shows your severe lack of maturity. I will pray for you...you are in desperate need of love.

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Tim

12:52 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

This is a public forum, Pastor Epps. When you post here, you better be prepared to see responses.

My opinion is founded in logic, not belief in what may exist in the next life.

There's this thing called Separation of Church and State. You should read up on it.
It's that concept ingrained in our Counstitution that lets your Church practice free and clear of direct government regulation.
Last I checked, our government wasn't telling religions how to determine who to marry. This would be just as wrong as religious leaders such as yourself telling the government how to run their activities.
See what I did there?
Our government is simply determining the legal status of the word marriage - something that is well within their right.

This whole praying for me business - comical. I guess considering you couldn't come up with a logical counterargument.
I've got plenty of love in my life. Thing is, I have an analytically functioning brain as well. Something religious zealots refrain from activating when it conflicts with "Faith".

Honestly, I feel you're the one who needs love, because my mind is considerably more open then yours on the subject. Turning your back on those who wish to legally marry in the eyes of the government. The horror!

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Tim

1:00 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

Pastor: Unless, of course, I'm now mistaken?

What is your stance on homosexuals and same sex marraige. As I try and catch up on all the weekend posts - I'm no longer sure where you stand on these events. Feel free to clarify, if we're in agreement on allowing same-sex marriages to be legally binding, then my previous post above will be retracted :)

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PastorLorenzo Epps

10:01 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

@tim I prefer mature responses and constructive critics...not the mess you have place on this public forum...let me be blunt...GROW UP!

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PastorLorenzo Epps

10:03 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

look what this sad sausage wrote....if I agree with him...he won't attack poor lil me....WHAT A SAD SAUSAGE!:Tim

1:00pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

Pastor: Unless, of course, I'm now mistaken?

What is your stance on homosexuals and same sex marraige. As I try and catch up on all the weekend posts - I'm no longer sure where you stand on these events. Feel free to clarify, if we're in agreement on allowing same-sex marriages to be legally binding, then my previous post above will be retracted :)

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Tim

11:45 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

Pastor: I accept the rights of gay people - gay by birth, not choice - to engage in the legal right to marry.

at some point you people will release oppressing others civic rights is wrong and ultimately never lasts.
First it was women. They persevered and finally got their deserved freedoms.
Then it was African Americans. Same story and success.
Today, it's gays and lesbians. The equality train for these guys left the station several years ago. Hop on board, or be left in the dark.

The only sad sausage is individuals like you, who continue to lead naive people into darkness and oppression of your fellow human beings. I'm just positive this is what Christ wanted.

Dan

1:41 am on Sunday, July 24, 2011

For all those people who label Christians as "anti-gay, judgmental, bigots" I'd really like to start my own little campaign, much like Dan Savage has with the "It Gets Better" campaign. To all those that look to Christians as people who are against you, please believe that we're all not that bad. Most Christians I know, myself included, are very open minded people, but more importantly...WE ARE OPEN HEARTED PEOPLE. We love God, we love God's message given through the Incarnation that is Jesus Christ. We believe His word is God's word and His word clearly states to love your neighbor. Not only are we called to love our neighbor, we are called to love our enemies and pray for them. If we are called to love our neighbors and our enemies, doesn't that include the sum total of humanity? Stop hating...let love be. "Beloved, let us love one another, because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten by God." 1John 4:8

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RW Willy

7:23 am on Sunday, July 24, 2011

Love the sinner, hate the sin. Got it!
This is about living wills, hospital visitation and health ins. (very basic definition). No one is hating the sinner here, if you are not hetero, don't try to be. Marriage is a religious event recognized by government. You can't be different then cry cause you're not the same. Patience and tolerance is a two edged sword. I am supposed to accept behavior that I feel is wrong, but you have no patience for my beliefs.

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Shadow

7:37 am on Sunday, July 24, 2011

I thank the governor for this undertaking and hope the Misinformed backwater thinkers learn that we do not live in a theocracy and their holy book or deity is not the authority. You all are welcome to your worship and beliefs but stay out of my legal rights. Marriage is a matter of contract law not religious law. States grant licenses and invest power to religious leaders to perform marriages not the other way around.

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Karen Forrest Metallo

8:35 am on Sunday, July 24, 2011

The magic word here is "Marriage". The state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law.
They should call it something else "Union" but not "Marriage" then approve that and leave Marriage alone.

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Mark Patro

8:49 am on Sunday, July 24, 2011

to Karen: It seems as if your comment illustrates a very good point. You are pointing out that the value of commitment between two men or two women is somehow less worthy, thus relegating same-sex commitments to a second-class status. THIS is exactly what civil equality is about. This is exactly why we need to dispense of the idea of calling it something else. Things with the same name are equal. Things with different names are inherently different.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

11:12 am on Sunday, July 24, 2011

Equality is a must. It's non of my business what two consenting adults do. If I don't like what they do...I can pray for them..but the law says I must love them and I do...and really...don't need a law telling me to love...that's just natural and right.

PastorLorenzo Epps

11:13 am on Sunday, July 24, 2011

....but back to the focus....this lil o has his priorities and the priorities of the people out of order.....this should never be an issue because their civil rights are just that...their right!...but there are other things that need to be done at this time.

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Robert Armstrong

12:17 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011

I am sure this isn't the only issue he is working on.

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Lorna D. Rudnikas

3:50 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011

My understanding is the Office of the President of the United States of America is one of them.

Louis Richards

2:12 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011

Here's something else for you folks who insist that the bible demands that marriage only consist of one man and one woman. For those of you whose churches use the Revised Common Lectionary, and if your pastor/priest/minister chose the alternate Old Testament reading for today (1 Kings 3:5-12 - which is the story of how Solomon got his wisdom), here's something about Solomon that your Sunday School teacher never mentioned. If you look forward to 1 Kings 11:1-3, you'll see that it indicates that Solomon had 700 official wives and 300 concubines. I guess this is the paradigm of marriage that you think should be the ideal.

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Deneen Morgan-Burley

2:23 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Solomon was God's anointed or chosen one. When he left off from following God's will, God's support of him left also. Solomon, once toted as the world's wisest man, died an educated fool for taking 700 wives and 300 concubines who induced him to serve false gods. He was not in good standing with God at his death.

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Mark Patro

2:35 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

civil marriage is not a religious issue... not everyone that gets a civil marriage in Maryland is Christian. These Bible quotes do not apply.

RW Willy

3:43 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011

That was a social norm. Do we learn from it, or repeat it?

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Louis Richards

6:25 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011

I'm still waiting for someone to post something intelligent explaining why it's not a good idea to let two mature, consenting adults enter into a legal, binding, monogamous, serious relationship. Just because Governor O'Malley supports it and that you don't particularly like him is NOT a good reason.

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Deneen Morgan-Burley

2:37 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Any sexual union outside of holy matrimony between a man and a woman, is not recognized as a marriage ordained by God. It doesn't matter if the two individuals give consent. It doesn't matter if it's two men, two women, or a man and a woman. If it's not two people, a man and a woman, who are wed, it is a sinful union known as fornication. Fornication is recognized as a sin whether it's two men, two women, or a man and a woman who are not married. If people thought of unions in this way, it would be more clear what's acceptable according to God's standards and what's not. A consenting pair of heterosexuals, a man and a woman, commit fornication as well if they are not married. Back in the day, they used to call it "shacking up" or being "out of wedlock." Now, people treat it as if it's normal. It's not. That's why we have compound social problems in society today.

sid

7:09 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011

Next up is Gay education in kids schools. There was a New York piece pushing for incest marriage. (really google it) If you support traditional marriage between a man and a woman join us at http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/97059459144?ap=1

PMM

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Louis Richards

11:09 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011

There was an article in today's Sunpaper about the mayor of Ocean City the house he shares with his female 'longtime companion'. For those of you who are so concerned about traditional marriage, why are you not concerned about this public servant flaunting societal norms about marriage and not being married?

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Leroy Smith

11:12 pm on Sunday, July 24, 2011

O'Malley need to go back under the rock from which he crawled out of. Next they are going to want to legalize a marriage between a man and Fluffy or Tabby. They make me sick. I can see legalizing a union between members of the same sex, but do not call it a marriage. Marriage is between a normal (in most cases) man and woman.
I am not against gay and lesbian relationships if that is what the consenting parties want, but don't say you want equal treatment and then expect special treatment.
If you want to call me a homophobe, that's your right. Knock your socks off.
I have a right to believe what I believe. You believe what you believe, but don't try and force your beliefs upon me.

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Mark Patro

5:52 am on Monday, July 25, 2011

Frank, you do have a right to believe what you want to believe. Calling a Marriage between two men or two women something else is creating a situation of separate status. And a major fact in this issue is that the Supreme Court of the United States believes that "separate is not equal." See Brown vs Board of Education.

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Deneen Morgan-Burley

2:46 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Sex between a human being and an animal is another type of fornication known as BESTIALITY. Fornication, no matter who the parties, is what God detests. Fornication between two men: HOMOSEXUALITY; fornication between two women: LESBIANISM; fornication between a parent and child or anyone related by blood: INCEST. That's what God detests, the behavior, not the people. Many of them, he said, were in the congregation, but, they changed. They REPENTED of the sin.

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Mark Patro

3:45 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

to Deneen: You are crossing over the line when you compare gay men to people who engage in sex with animals. But, of course I understand that your intention with this comment is to stimulate outrange which might result in a counter attack. This will not happen with me. You simply do not respect people who are different than you. Your comments are an attempt to make sex between two men or two women something other than normal when it is in fact as normal as heterosexual sex. Homosexuality occurs in many species which has been scientifically documented through observation. The Bible might imply to you that homosexuality is sinful, but other, including me, read it differently. I will reiterate my original point. Civil marriage is not about religion and your religion has nothing to do with civil law.

George Helm

7:30 am on Monday, July 25, 2011

Stop the B.S., It's all about MONEY AND ENTITLEMENTS. I would think we have other important issues facing this state, more important to spend time on than this nonsense. All you supporters where do you stand on pural marriage? Where does it end, I would propose that you could marry your pet for a tax deduction!

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Mark Patro

7:49 am on Monday, July 25, 2011

Raise your voice, and make illogical arguments and most reasonable people will see you and your argument as foolish. Marrying your cat, dog, cow, goat or horse is a foolish argument. In order to enter into a legally binding agreement concerning Maryland State law means you have to have standing to sign a legally binding agreement. Animals do not have this standing. But you KNOW that. Comparing a gay man's partner or a lesbian woman's partner to a dog is offensive. So, it is very clear to me that your point is to offend and drag this discussion into the mud. Come back when you have an argument that makes sense.

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Christie Pulvino

7:56 am on Monday, July 25, 2011

I fully support gay marriage. I'd also like to add that I am shocked and saddened at how hateful some of the comments are.

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Heather Rankin

10:12 am on Monday, July 25, 2011

I completely support this. I don't care if O'Malley has other motives, as long as he is helping to get equal rights for everyone, I support. Most "Christians" use the bibles for their own agendas. A passages up from where it states a man shouldn't lay with another, it states you shall not eat anything with scales. You have to remember the period from when the bible was written. Things were a WHOLE lot different back then.

Just stop hating. Hate is an ugly thing. God doesn't like hate. God loves everyone. Don't degrade people just because you don't like the way they live their lives. Seriously.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

11:02 am on Monday, July 25, 2011

"Most "Christians" use the bibles for their own agendas." - Heather Rankin
No heather....christians don't do that...false christians do....there's no problem with us christians supporting this...but ...it is not a priority..and we have bigger fish to fry...it's non of my busines if two men or women want to get married.....I mind my business...it is however my business when so called leaders aren't leading...they should be working on increasing jobs and taking care of those who can't care for themselves...Which one of these so called leaders has CUT THEIR SALARIES? yet...they will cut others salaries...THAT'S NOT LEADERSHIP!
I'm saying this in love heather...not trying to rile your feathers...(:-)

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Heather Rankin

11:33 am on Monday, July 25, 2011

No my comment was mostly for the people way up there in the comment sections. I don't like O'Malley, but I do like the fact that this is happening. Thats all I was stating.

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Tim

12:57 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

Heather: I completely agree with you.
It's actually pretty funny. Not to hijack this, but I am not a fan of either Governor O'Malley OR our President. I think both have done mediocre to subpar jobs to date.
However...at this exact point in time, I find myself fully supporting both of them on very controversial events (same sex marriage, and the debt ceiling) and finding nothing but disdain for the opposition that - overall - I generally agree with on other planks.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

9:14 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

lil o has the ability to enforce gay folks rights...he needs to be a leader and do just that...instead of wasting time and money on a vote that no one has a right to make...we do not have the right to vote on someone elses rights.

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Mark Patro

9:28 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

Lorenzo, your are entirely wrong about his. There is a Maryland law which defines "Marriage" as between one man and one woman. The Maryland Legislature enacted that law and they are the only entity that can change it according to our State Constitution. You should stick to theology.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

9:51 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

those so called leaders had NO BUSINESS AND NO RIGHT defining marriage as between a man and a woman...that's based on religion...their religious beliefs...take them to court

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PastorLorenzo Epps

9:52 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

.............stop attacking people you don't agree with mark...you're more than a bit arrogant with your comments...who are you to tell me what i should stick to...get over yourself.

Mark Patro

11:34 am on Monday, July 25, 2011

Lorenzo, Attaining Marriage equality was on the table in the last legislative session (and has been for quite a few sequential sessions for a while now.) If you were worried about jobs why didn't you stand up to support Same-Sex Marriage so this discussion would be over with? People who so vehemently argue against Same-Sex marriage do so no matter what the job situation is and will constantly find something more important than SOMEONE ELSE'S civil rights.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

8:46 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

I believe I said it's not a priority and priorities are out of order...Also..no one has the right to vote on anothers rights.

Pat

11:57 am on Monday, July 25, 2011

Pastor et al-
Not so funny thing is that if you scan this site and other local news web sites you can't help but notice that the same folks who oppose this civil right are also anti-immigrant, favor dismantling the social safety net, accuse the needy and jobless of being lazy bums, losers and worse. They paint all minority members with hateful stereotypes. They support tax breaks for the rich and advantaged and oppose workers rights to collective bargaining. They denigrate public education. They are pro assault weapon, pro war, pro death penalty and yet ironically "pro life". They wave the constitution but conveniently ignore many portions of it . They decry the separation of church and state and yet condemn the Islamic theocracies. They label themselves as Christians while everything they stand for flies in the face of the radical gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. The leaders that they support pander to the radical right and the powerful then accuse others of pandering to a powerless minority. ( continued)

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PastorLorenzo Epps

8:49 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

wow...you just painted "us" with that brush you said we painted "them" with.
I'm not anti immigrant...i am anti thief...someone coming into a country unlawfully and stealing what doesn't belong to them...and im not against gay marriage...i stated it's not a priority...i also stated it should not be voted on...rights should never be voted on...they are rights.

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Lorna D. Rudnikas

9:02 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

OMG - Pat you are a "spin artist" of the highest order!! Congratulations!!! (Swore I wasn't getting my two cents in on this subject, but could not hold back on this one) I will slip back into oblivion again.

Pat

11:57 am on Monday, July 25, 2011

They are often nasty, sarcastic and meanspirited when the inconsistancies, inaccuracies and dishonesties in their commentaries are respectfully refuted with subtantiated, reputable facts. We need only look to recent events in Norway to see what such thinking begets. I am sorry, but I cannot help but consider them to be the oft warned of " anti-Christ(ian)".
That said, I am heartened and touched by many of the thoughtful, loving and truly Christ-like comments on this thread. They give me hope that our people can live up to the ideal of being a beacon in the darkness, a kind and gentle, generous nation living by the golden rule and true spirit of Christianity, instead of the Pharisees letter of the law. Amen.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

8:51 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

really pat...so now "we" are like that crazed man in norway? really pat? let's remember one very important thing...none of us are perfect..and we are all hippocrites....with that being said...stop attacking others comments and merely give your comment....look at this thread pat....I've attacked no one......

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Pat

10:49 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

Actually Pastor, I thought I was backing you up and complimenting you on many of your comments. I too believe that the leaders in this country need to focus on taking care of the poor, the homeless and the least of our brethren. I believe that jobs and education need to be priorities. I agree that civil rights should not need to be voted on. However our legislative process requires rights to be protected by law. I agree that we are all sinners who have no right to cast stones. However I do not believe that all undocumented workers are thieves- many work extremely hard for paltry wages under terrible conditions- desperately seeking an opportunity to feed their families. What would any of us do if we had been born into their circumstances? There but for the Grace of God... If casting a critical light on some of the thoughts that have been expressed on this thread and others is an attack- so be it. Some ideas need to be challenged. Jesus had some pretty tough words for the pharisees as I recall. My reference to the anti-immigrant Norwegian was cautionary- pointing out that such thinking can lead to extreme behavior by some. I am truly sorry if you identified with those who have been so meanspirited and less than Christian on this thread.

Robert Armstrong

12:04 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

Wow Pat! You really hit that nail on the head!

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Amazed

1:12 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

So, in reality, the fight is over the equal “right” to use the semantic term “marriage” not about taxes, inheritance, living will decisions or any of the other privileges a traditional married couple enjoys and, for the obtaining of which, the passage of a civil union law would probably be an easy putt. Comparisons of this semantic bickering to the Civil Rights movement are laughable. Forcing people to call it “marriage” won’t change the fact that one is traditional and the other is same-sex. They will always be different. Forcing those that are opposed to relinquish their position will only build resentment and will do nothing to further acceptance. You cannot mandate acceptance. I support unions vs. marriage to avoid offending the older generation’s sensibilities while granting any and all rights that pertain, but frankly, I don’t care either way – and I’m sure the governor doesn’t either. This is just more of the pander and diversion he does so well. Overall support for gay marriage is growing so its eventual passage is inevitable.

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Mitch Toland Jr.

1:58 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

just posted a new video blog on this topic and a few others @ www.OhMaryland.weebly.com check it out!

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Mark Patro

2:01 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

Amazed. Your statement: "Forcing those that are opposed to relinquish their position will only build resentment and will do nothing to further acceptance." You are probably right about this. In fact I know you are right to some degree. When I was a grade school student, before the passage of the 1964 civil rights act, racism was rampant in this county. It hasn't gone away, but it is much less prevalent than it was. This is true for most people who were born after its enactment. Folks who are older than me often retort that they grew up during a different time and hold onto their racist attitudes. Today Racism is vastly unacceptable. The reason racism has subsided is because laws were enacted to provide a social attitude that no matter what a person's ethnic background, we are equal as spelled out in specified areas of that law. The reason LGBT civil rights are important today is that these laws will do the same thing for the LGBT community. It doesn’t matter that a diminishing number of homophobes hold onto their homophobic attitudes. They find themselves part of a smaller and smaller group. And eventually some of those will change their attitude because they will want to be with the majority. This too is inevitable.

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Amazed

3:39 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

Well, your legislation to racism reference might translate to a gay marriage issue if they were apples and apples… I don’t think many folks on the other side see it that way. My biggest question is “why run the risk of losing the real rights issue over the semantics of a word?” The same machine that pushed for and won the Dream Act to referendum fight will probably repeat that performance. On the surface, I say “what could be more democratic?” but, if I were really interested in winning equal rights I’d push for a civil union and let the “marriage” fight wait. Again, I think it boils down to acceptance and they won’t force that by beating people over the head with legislation.

Mark Patro

3:43 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

It might be semantics to you. But "Civil Unions" do not equal "Marriage." You are apparently unfamiliar with the history of Civil Unions in Vermont and New Jersey. When you set up two systems the eventually diverge. When Gay or lesbians couples apply for insurance from Big Corporations they can deny access. You need to know history. This is a much bigger issue than what you are making it out to be.

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helpussomeone

4:03 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

Not knowing the background on the cases in Vermont and New Jersey, I would like to know how they will be considered for tax purposes. Will they be "Married"? What about Health Insurance, will they be considered a "Family" for insurance purposes? Any ideas on these two things? Just trying to get some opinions.

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Mark Patro

8:58 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

Helpussomeone: The inequalities pop up mainly in the two areas you mention. The word "Marriage" is written into something like 1038 Federal laws and it also is written into just over 400 Maryland state laws. If legal recognition of Same-Sex coupling is called "Marriage" than all is understood on the Federal & State level that Married = Married (when DOMA is repealed). In Vermont (before they passed a second law legalizing same-sex marriage and more recently New Jersey Civil Unions became the legal name for this legal coupling. There has been testimony in both states where witnesses have described the difficulties that the separate legal definition has caused. There is not enough room here to elaborate. I will have to write a blog article to cover it more thoroughly.

PastorLorenzo Epps

10:08 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011

there are too many immature people in here attacking others....If you attack you should expect to be attacked and possibly removed from this strand.....just because you back your comment with clips of articles and laws doesn't make your point more valued...just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't give you the right to bully....let me remind you...everyone's name can be traced...if you get out of line ...the proper authorities can be called...this includes attorneys...be careful comparing folks to terrorists....THIS IS A SERIOUS ACCUSATION!

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Pat

2:11 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011

Oh, now I see who you really are! That whole anti-immigration thing touches a raw spot- does it? Reminders that intolerance can be an incubator of extremism is in no way an accusation of terrorism. Reading Comprehension 101. Sorry, but debate points must be deducted for resorting to name calling and threats when a cogent
"backed up" argument cannot be made. By the by, threats= bullying. In your words from elsewhere on this thread-
"comments are meant to be read to get a feel for the climate...if you are going to edit out everything you don't like...might as well be communist soviet union. my point...we are adults...we don't NEED you or anyone to edit out our comments! SHAME!"
Goodbye Pastor.

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PastorLorenzo Epps

10:13 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011

really pat? really? lol..."goodbye". was there a hello? really pat?

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PastorLorenzo Epps

10:14 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011

...............do you see dead people 2 pat? do you pat?

Scott in Towson

3:13 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011

From what I see here and in the news, there's just a lot of HATE and INTOLERANCE and BIGOTRY spewing out from those who oppose marriage equality. As someone who grew up in the Deep South, I heard the same vitriol as a kid from those who fought against Civil Rights.

My dad took me to see Martin Luther King, Jr., and march in a parade in Birmingham when I was a 6 year old (white) child in Alabama, and told me that we have to stand up against those who are want to deny people their basic rights. I'm so glad that my daughter, who now lives in New York City, went over to Stonewall to celebrate with her straight and LGBT friends the evening the measure was signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo, after the Republican-led Senate passed marriage equality. I'm so glad she was there to be apart of history, because in 50 years, we'll all be sickened by the disgusting and inhumane hatred and bigotry that is being expressed here. And, wow, this IS Maryland, not Alabama!

So, thank you, Governor O'Malley! You are a courageous man who is on the right side of history, ethics and progress for the human race. That's why we elected you our Governor again in a landslide. Next year, I hope to have my daughter with me to celebrate the passage of marriage for ALL couples in Maryland...and know that whatever God we may (or may not) believe in will be happy and proud and touched. Amen!

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PastorLorenzo Epps

11:22 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011

regarding pat, mark, robert and so many others:
"PEARLS AND SWINE." "The sacredness of Truth is given value by the teaching that we should not cast pearls before swine. Spiritual truths cannot be taught to those who will not accept them. The wisdom of this world is foolishness to a greater wisdom; and the wisdom of Spirit is often overlooked by human foolishness."

I have wasted my time and enough time on the likes of you. BYE!

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Bob

11:53 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011

All this talk about marriage equality has me a bit confused...can't ANY man already marry any woman who's willing to marry him, and vice versa? Likewise, no man or woman...heterosexual or homosexual, can marry a member of the same sex in Maryland. Sounds pretty equal to me. I just wish I could marry my cousin and escape the bigotry I've encountered and hurtful names like "inbred" I've been called by both straight and gay people. Such intolerance is....well, intolerable.

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Alex T

2:44 pm on Tuesday, July 26, 2011

"If you don't like gay marriage, blame straight people. They're the ones that keep having gay babies."

By the way, for those of you that believe this is some attempt by O'Malley to gain future votes in a senatorial campaign, you may want to take off the tin foil head gear. This is not a politically popular move in this day and age in Maryland, primarily because of the strength of the religious organizations in many urban areas of our state. I think O'Malley recognizes that in generations to come, our treatment of homosexuality in America is going to be viewed much as our prior history with African Americans, as a source of shame and embarrassment. He also clearly wanted this to pass last year, but wouldn't get in front and lead the fight. Watching how Cuomo led the crusade in NY seemed to embarrass O'Malley, and he has pledged to do it differently this year.

Oh, and for full disclosure, I am Catholic, I voted for Ehrlich and I'm straight. But I'm embarrassed at how we treat people who simply want to live happily with the one they love, afforded the same legal benefits as heterosexual unions.

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sid

12:42 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011

Not defending traditional marriage is a slippery slope. Poligamists are already filing lawsuits for plural marriages. How much will it cost us when they push Gay education in your child's school? Please join us to defend marriage. http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/97059459144?ap=1

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Tom Barnes

7:12 am on Friday, July 29, 2011

Sid - Come on. Traditional marriage means CONTRACTUAL marriage. We do not have traditional marriage. Women and children are no longer deemed property. They haven't been since the 70's. What we have is MODERN marriage. And traditional marriage - BIBILICALLY SPEAKING - says that Polygamy IS traditional marriage. Take a good read (this is just an alphabetical sample so you can "study to show yourself approved"): Abdon Abijah Abraham Ahab Ahasuerus
Ashur Belshazzar Benhadad Caleb David Eliphaz Elkanah Esau Ezra Gideon
Heman Hosea Ibzan Issachar Jacob Jair Jehoiachin Jehoram Jerahmeel Joash
Lamech Machir Manasseh Mered Moses Nahor Rehoboam Saul Shaharaim Shimei Simeon Solomon Terah Zedekiah Ziba

I am not saying it should or shouldn't be legal, I'm just saying we can't have it both ways; we can't promote our personal beliefs as "the truth." We can only say "in my humble opionion"...

Mark Patro

5:23 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011

To understand why we should use the word "Marriage" and not "Civil Unions" to define same-sex unions see this blog post: http://perryhall.patch.com/blog_posts/why-marriage-and-not-civil-unions

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PastorLorenzo Epps

7:45 pm on Thursday, July 28, 2011

GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT THE PRIORITY! JOBS JOBS JOBS!

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Alice

12:43 am on Friday, July 29, 2011

Whew.......................

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Alice

12:56 am on Friday, July 29, 2011

Btw I did NOT vote for m.o.m. don't hate him, don't hate anyone, but I can't stand him. He is just too in love with himself to do the right thing ever. I'm not against gay marriage. I don't feel like anyone has a right to judge anyone. I think gay marriage would have been legit with or without m.o.m. so I am not giving him credit for anything except higher taxes. Oh and Shiela Dixon's retirement pay. :(

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Bob

6:50 am on Friday, July 29, 2011

1. Sharing one's faith is not forcing your beliefs on someone.
2. For all the talk of tolerance here, where's the tolerance (and respect) of Christian beliefs?
3. I'm really disappointed by some responses of "Christians" here.

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Tom Barnes

7:02 am on Friday, July 29, 2011

I absolutely love the references to "traditional marriage." Have we forgotten our history, even right here in Maryland? My mother, in 1972, could not have a hysterectomy without her husbands permission. In 1962, my grandmother could not have cobalt treatment for cancer without permission from her estranged husband. THAT is traditional marriage, folks. The husband OWNED the wife, OWNED the children. Until the 1970's, THAT was traditional marriage - it was a contract of ownership. We do **NOT** have traditional marriage. Stop kidding yourself, folks.

So what are you actually saying? What you are REALLY saying is that you want COMFORTABLE marriage - something that benefits you, doesn't embarrass you, doesn't make you think beyond your own self importance. Shall we grow up? If you do not believe in same gender marriage then don't have one. Duh.

As for the "we have other things on our plate to worry about" - there is NO bad time to demand equality. When people stop demanding equality, they end up in ghetto's then possibly concentration camps. Think Jews. Think Japanese. Think African Americans. Slippery slope is what someone else said - and they are wrong AND right. They just don't realize which direction that slope is going.

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Catons-villain

3:49 pm on Friday, July 29, 2011

"Stripping marriage of its unique connection to parenthood disregards the reasons why government has always elevated marriage over all other relationships as the fundamental building block of society."

One man-one woman couples (whether by choice or circumstance) can be childless.
Same sex couples can have children (via adoption or surrogacy).

Tying “marriage” to “parenting” seems archaic to me. Of course, I wouldn’t expect anything less than archaic from the Catholic Church (and in the interests of full disclosure – I’m Catholic).

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Tom Barnes

6:03 pm on Friday, July 29, 2011

Same sex couple, civil unioned in 2000. We have 2 children, one about to turn 16, the other 4 months behind him. One is mine, the other is adopted - from a STRAIGHT couple that abused him - physically and sexually. Everyone who meets my kids absolutely adores them. They are active in sports and school - and music and theater. They have girlfriends (they weren't suddenly converted) and a slew of trustworthy friends on which they can depend. I know quite a few gay parents with kids. As a foster parent, I know of NONE that lost their children due to physical or sexual abuse. However, with the number of kids that came through my house I can tell you I know PLENTY of children abused by their STRAIGHT parents because they ALL came from STRAIGHT people who threw them away. So, I REALLY don't want to hear how gay people can't be parents. When straight parents get their acts together, THEN tell us with all the sanctimonous crap how terrible gay parents are. Remember - we take care of a good part of straight people's disposal kin. Seriously.

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Tom Barnes

3:19 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Want to live in a religious country, let me know how Iran... Iraq... Afghanistan... Egypt... Syria. All those spouting 'bible' verses to support their brand of bigotry (and let's make no mistake - it IS bigotry in a religious sense... once you admit it, you will feel better about yourselves and your position on the issue) are really no different those in the >gasp< Taliban that want the same thing. No civil law - just religious wall. Call it what it is, folks. Seriously. Then ask yourself this: "When does someone elses religious beliefs stop being ok and when I can I be bigoted against them - or is it ok for them to be bigoted against me for *my* religious intolerance? Look in the mirror - ask the serious question, think about the implications THEN come back and tell us how your religious beliefs are the only correct ones. Because at THAT juncture you have done nothing more than Islam has done in proclaiming a 'holy war'.

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Lorna D. Rudnikas

4:08 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Just curious - what is the difference between a marriage and a civil union? I say this for the millions of heterosexual couples who have lived together as man and wife for many years but not in the eyes of the law.

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Mark Patro

4:47 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

The difference between "civil unions" and "marriage" is explained in this article:
http://perryhall.patch.com/blog_posts/why-marriage-and-not-civil-unions

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Bart

8:17 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Perhaps the REAL question should be: when did the "religious marriage" become part of our civil law? There should be no difference.

Lorna D. Rudnikas

4:12 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Should have commented further.....in other words do these folks who have lived together fall under the civil union description? Sorry I am a little uneducated in this regard. Perhaps you can help. And if civil union applies for one group - does apply for all?

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Eastsider

4:50 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Possible new state slogan “Come to Maryland, the land of the Illegal sanctuary, legal homosexuality and the over taxed”

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Lorna D. Rudnikas

11:35 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Another thought...is it possibly all about money, taxes, et al?

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Mark Patro

5:18 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

How many heterosexual couples get married because” it’s all about the money?” I think, in this day and age, the percentage of those kinds of relationships is very small. I find it a bit offensive that you are indicating a relationship between two men or two women who love each other and want to solidify that relationship in a permanently recognized relationship is based on a financial arrangement. Maybe you should get to know a same sex couple.

PastorLorenzo Epps

3:53 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

It's your right to get married through the government...but...with God.....Who knows!

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Lorna D. Rudnikas

8:33 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

Mark.....OMG - stop taking yourself so seriously. I am not zeroing in on Same Sex Couples!!! Nor on the religious aspect. It just so happens that not being married has its big-time issues when it comes to legal matters, taxes, estate inheritance,etc. no matter what your sexual orientation is and no matter how long you have been together as a couple and no matter how much love is involved.....all put in place by the legal system way, way back with no real thought about same sex anything. That is what I am referring to - and certainly not insinuating otherwise...neither same sex, different sex, zero sex honey child!!! I I bring to the table the unfortunate laws that :"punish" folks tax-wise, healthcare wise for not being together in any legal format. Most adults are aware of this.

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Mark Patro

9:06 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

I am serious about this issue because it is so drastically misunderstood. The passage of a Marriage Equality law in Maryland could potentially affect 16,987 households in our state according to the 2010 census data. (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-08-11/news/bs-md-census-same-sex-couples-20110811_1_gay-couples-gay-households-marriage-bill) Your question about the inclusion of unmarried heterosexual couples being included in the description of "civil union" is one case in point. Maryland State Law does not define who is included in the “description of civil union” because Maryland does not have a civil union law. Unmarried heterosexual couples have the option to get married if they want to, same-sex couples do not have this option. That is the elementary basis for THIS discussion in the first place. The discrimination, as you see it, by heterosexual couples surrounding the “big-time issues when it comes to legal matters, taxes, estate inheritance, etc” is an entirely different matter. If unmarried couples want the tax benefits that married people have they should lobby for them and work to get those changes made in Annapolis. I have seen absolutely no effort in that direction. The opportunity to get married may seem like an arbitrary desire for you but it is not for many people who are excluded from the opportunity to get married and have it recognized by state law.

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Bob

9:23 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

I'm really glad the issue of marriage equality is being brought to the forefront of Marylanders' consciousness. For too long I have been subjected to ridicule, bigotry and discrimination because I want to marry the woman I love, a consenting adult - my cousin. I've been called a redneck inbred by countless bigots both liberal and conservative. The worst is when people say my fight for marriage equality will lead to people marrying their dogs, etc....as if a dog could consent to such a thing. That is totally offensive. My cousin and I share the most beautiful love, moreso than most non-related couples....straight or gay. Let gay people marry...along with polygamists with consenting wives.

MARRIAGE EQUALITY FOR ALL!

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Jill

9:45 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011

For everyone bringing up what's in the Bible, I want to know how you know what's in the Bible is the actual truth? You do know people used to trip off of moldy bread back then and then they wrote about what they "saw?" My God is a loving God that just wants his children to be happy, kind people. I don't understand why gay and lesbian marriages upset people so much. We are all human and should have the right to marry whomever we want. Marriage equality for all!

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