I have to agree. Way to not be objective there, Patch; any further sociopolitical agendas you wish to further?

It is pure newspeak. A progressive talent on the use of the English language to make things what they are not.
Do we read here about "automobile violence" when reading about drunk drivers?
Do the writers headline "Automobile violence leads police to dead man in trunk"?

Newspeak! Propaganda.

Is this some sort of joke that's going over my head or do people seriously not know what the definition of "violence" is? Extreme aggression perpetrated in a forceful or powerful manner - of course a poisoning isn't deemed violence while shooting projectiles at 1000 ft/sec to blow holes in other people is obviously violent.

The insanely dumb analogy about automobiles isn't even worth addressing. Good grief, it's remarkable the comments that kid makes.

I think we all know the definition of violence. But not the definition of "gun violence". Guns can't be violent any more than a door knob can be violent. People can be violent. Some just pick different tools.

Everything goes over you head jagoff.
Do we ever read the headline "Knife violence takes another life"?
Get a clue jagoff.

jag you only seem to think something is insanely dumb when it goes against you. Perhaps what you perceive to be insanely dumb is just too complex for you to comprehend but either way it does not further your position to simply dismiss an opposing argument or position to your own by simply belittling it or making disparaging remarks about the person making the comments. Some would call that type of response infantile, others might call it elitist, but I simply believe it is the common reaction from a person who is defeated and has nothing else to support their argument so they resort to what they do best, throw verbal tantrums in hopes that they will stop.

jag states "The insanely dumb analogy about automobiles isn't even worth addressing."

Yet spends 2 paragraphs addressing it!
That's funny jag!

Thanks for noticing Danna. No matter how one feels about gun laws.. a headline should not lead a reader influence their opinion on a topic.

If the news industry was any other industry, you'd be calling for government regulation of yourselves. This headline is BS.

But Doug, that is the purpose of Headlines! To influence the minds of the reader!

Guns cause violence? If so, bumper stickers would read "My kid's pencil is an honor student".

Guns can't cause violence Darren.. that's the point. Only a person with his finger on the trigger can cause the violence. A knife can't cause violence unless someone picks it up a stabs you. A handgranade can't cause viloence unless someone pulls the pin. People cause violence, not objects.. A 3rd grader should know this.

LOL.. good one H.R.

What do they call someone who makes so many unfounded ASSumptions as you do? Does anyone call you silly names for NOT being capable of defending yourself or your family like a wussy or wimp afraid of firearms and afraid to fight back?

Forks make people fat! Without forks we would not have the terrible obesity problem we see today.

Sounds like you're the bitter one here.

Darren, You seem to have failed to retain the basic English reading and writing skills taught to you in school by your text books. Oh wait, or was it taught to you in school BY teachers USING text books? If we follow your assertion that guns are violent then the people who use guns to commit violent acts must be victims of gun violence just as the person on the receiving end of the violent act.

I don't see why OJ Simpson's legal dream team did not simply argue that OJ didn't kill Ron & Nicole the knife did. It was Knife Violence. What a simple defense. The knife made me do it your honor. Case dismissed! I would have to assume that since they went with the Hail Mary defense of "If it does not fit, you must acquit" that the Dream Team was intelligent enough to know the knife was not the cause of the violence but merely a tool in the violence.

This is why the headline is arguably unnecessarily skewed to create a false impression in the minds of the reader rather than simply exhibit journalistic objectivity and allow the reader to develop their own perceptions. If you wish to consider this gun violence on your own that is your prerogative but don't try to reinvent the basic rules of proper use of the English language to justify your fallacious comments.

Welcome to patch "Darren".

That is fair Chris W.

Aside from the assault weapon (because certain guns have been tagged as that) which of those statements is false and why.

A gun needs a shooter
4 times as many people yearly are killed on the highways
and a gun IS just a tool used by a person.. just like a knife or a car

OMG get a job

"4 times as many people yearly are killed on the highways " - is false.

and I really don't believe in the last one either. But the above is patently false, deaths from guns almost equal deaths from automobile accidents.

FIFA-
Car deaths - 33,687

Gun deaths - 11,078

On CDC site. So again you are wrong.

CP, you are an idiot, you left out suicides by gun, which is a gun death. Bummer, your apology is accepted in advance.

CP, in 3 weeks another story will come up and there are those here that will again deny those facts. Someone will post them again, and in 3 weeks another.........

When people cannot see and agree on facts from a government database all have the same access to, like the FBI UCR or CDC, then the debate is stuck on stupid.

As always Josephine, you are wrong and refuse to admit. CP finds the number for gun homicides and you fall for it. You are simply ignorant.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/09/guns-traffic-deaths-rates/1784595/

Oh so now it's suicides too? I get it. Those people would have found a way to kill themselves without a gun. Just like most gun crimes.

Either way you skew it. Guns will be here long after you stroke out. So in the end you lose.

CP, a gun death is a gun death? Ya think? Which is exactly what I stated.

In addition, the argument itself is ludicrous. Gun deaths and automobile deaths have nothing in common except someone died. Comparing them is sheer idiocy.

They were both used as a means of death. I'd say that is the major reason they compare. BTW 14,800 prescription pain killer deaths. Ban it? Why are you so selective about the manner in which someone dies? All caused by humans.

From YOUR link Fifi/Steve.
In 2011, traffic deaths 32,367

CP Car deaths - 33,687

From your link Fifi/Steve.
homicides 11,098

CP Gun deaths - 11,078

Can you explain how I am "wrong and refuse to admit. CP finds the number for gun homicides and you fall for it. You are simply ignorant."

He found the accurate statistics on both as your link shows. Did he make a comparison you dislike? Yes. Did he post the wrong numbers? No. I knew the numbers were correct and so did he. You get your panties in a knot so fast because you want to call names and feel superior. The numbers CP posted MATCH your link and you tell us we are wrong and stupid? You need real help for your mental disorder.

And in this debate over the firearm violence that only occurs in schools and kills young white suburban children, then suicides have no place in this debate either.

Josephine, you are really that dumb I guess. I said that gun deaths and vehicle deaths are about the same. I never mentioned only "homicides". You did, fool. I guess your skirt flew in your face again.

"I never mentioned only "homicides". You did, fool."

Someone needs to 6take that shovel for you Fifi/Steve. I knew that particular number was homicides and did not include suicide. You disputed his numbers and they match the numbers on YOUR link. CP was right.

"Eddie Izzard " is a term Steve would use! You signed in with the wrong name again Steve/Fifi/Frank!

You need to really give that up Josephine. You should be able by now to tell the styles of writing really vary.

However, we were able to catch onto Joe/Sanchez and BO/Kongo in a matter of seconds after the two of you had your accounts suspended for bad language.

I know you can't keep up with your own names but who is "Josephine"?

Sounds like something Frank would say.

Projecting again in the mix of me and anyone else named BO/Kongo.

His online cross-dressing persona.

It involves a deranged father and he could have used a bathtub like Andrea Yates did. The tool is not the issue, the deranged persons are.

Time to license bathtubs.

Bathtub Violence takes another life
Mother deemed insane when she drowned her daughter, 3, in 2010 is free because doctors say she's regained her sanity

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267830/Mother-deemed-insane-drowned-daughter-3-2010-free-doctors-say-shes-regained-sanity.html

Peanut Butter is next on the Liberal agenda. We can't have peanut butter affecting our children like this. We must protect the children.

Is this a fine example of that?
http://www.marfdrat.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/double-standard-michelle-obama-political-poster-1298339863.jpg
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/files/2012/05/obama-junk-food.jpg

Fat toothy beast!

Not true.

Bullets kill people fired from guns and work as they are designed to do, which is kill people. Cars are involved in accidents and people die accidentally.

Trees don't have a soul, fetuses don't have a soul, and I don't either. Figured I'd beat you to the punch.

Do as you want, but it sure is not as I do.

Progressives have a heart, teabaggers don't.

Do you think trees have souls?

What is a "soul," professor?

CP is trash. He has no respect for women.

No ILK i have no respect for the obese telling me how i should eat to be healthy!

So.. FiFA.. did you subtract all the accidental gun deaths from your numbers of guns killing people. Let's face it.... Guns, cars, knives, pitbulls and cement mixers, are all things that kill people if handled incorrectly. The reason guns are in the headlines, is that the mindless never want a tragedy to go unwasted. Sandy Hook was a perfect tragedy for the mindless to play on.

No Doug, a gun when handled correctly does exactly what it is designed to do, kill. You know that, just simply admit. A car handled correctly does not kill. Gosh that seems difficult to comprehend. Make different arguments, that is a killer.

Forget your meds? Hate the Constitution? Yourself?

Yeahhhh Darren ... because we all know it was just a bunch of ignorant gun clinging, pathetic, spineless, worthless losers that fought for our independence that eventually led to you having the freedom to make such insulting comments towards others on here when you really have nothing to support your side of the argument.

We still have the freedom to enjoy the rights provided to us by the First Amendment because of the Second Amendment.

justaBill, do you have any examples that the first amendment is bexause of the Scond?

Ummm the War of 1812 that was primarily fought and won by a citizen militia alongside the regular army.

And fifa I did not say the First was because of of the Second ... I said we still enjoy the rights provided by the First because of the Second but keep up with your failed attempts at twisting people's words to support your point rather than coming up with a valid logical concise argument of your own.

JustABill, that war had nothing to do with protecting the First Amendment, try again. Interesting you mention the word "militia" though?

Ummm Fifa ... if we had lost the War of 1812 we could have gone back to being under British rule and thus the Constitution would have been nothing but a brief memory. (shaking head)

Hey, JustABill, laws get changed all the time and the Constitution has been reinterpreted in many regards.

Don't paint such a gorgeous picture of the Founders either. They were grasping, smuggling, anarchistic rabble-rousers, the progeny of devout religious people, who stumbled on a swinging deal and made the most of it.

JustABill, so let me understand this. We might be invaded by another nation's army and we will all stand up with our handguns and semi-automatic assault weapons and join the militia and go to war? Do you really believe that? Please stop watching The Patriot.

1ke ... the great thing about that insignificant little Constitution is you have the right to say what you think about it and if you really hate this country enough you also have the right to leave. I hear Venezuela is nice this time of year.

Fifa I will stop believing in the premise of being a Patriot when you stop supporting the premise of being a subject. You also need to stop twisting other people's comments just to suit your own points. When you have no logic to support your own points you just do what you can to being those with opposing views to your own down to your level. Sorry for not wanting to play your little juvenile game but have fun playing with your little friends.

JustABill said, "I'm taking my ball and going home!" Bye, JustABill. When you make a stupid argument, it is a stupid argument, you're probably a very nice guy, just not very bright.

LOL Venezuela has a Constitution.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/constitution

"Ummm the War of 1812 that was primarily fought and won by a citizen militia alongside the regular army."

LOL The Americans didn't win the War of 1812. The British/Canadians did. What school did you attend?

The Rush Limbaughs, Faux News Glenn Becks, of the Rightwing media have convoluted the definition of what a Patriot truly is. An anti government terrorist isn't a "Patriot", they are treasonous. If you take up guns against the government you should be shot for treason. Rightfully so.

I think that JustABill has a strange Venezuela thing going on. Do you reckon that Mr. Chavez refused to fill his oil tank or sumpin?

A revolutionary and a terrorist are not he same thing. Terrorists murder civilians to draw attention to their cause and try to break the resolve of their enemy. George Washington was not a terrorist; However, he was a traitor to the British. Had we lost, he would have been hanged.

Welcome back Frank.

Darren ... the Constitution is that little pesky document that supports your right to make such rude, insulting, and insensitive comments.

Well it looks like we have a flaming Lib! What does Catonsville have to do with anything? I hope you're not suggesting Columbia is anything to write home about. It's ghettofabulous! You sound like you are in high school. No adult is that irrational.

JustABill, I glad to have you and your popguns on my side. When the Evil Day arrives, you will be (traa-daa) DEFENDER OF THE REPUBLIC.

Well, Catonsville is near Arbutus.

Sounding kinda smug there on Columbia, CP. What is it about Columbia that makes it "ghettofabulous?" Care to explain?

I know, I know. There is something about me that prevents to from explaining your sniveling remark.

Hey, JoeBlob, what do you thnk about "ghettofabulous?"

Columbia schools are awful. Element from the city has invaded.

The rest of the county is world class. Columbia is different. I know the data. I know it very well for HoCo. As for the element I'm speaking of. That is in reference to the low class, illegitimate, single parent, illiterate low lifes that have brought Baltimore City with them to the counties.

Missing part of the element CP? Hmmm, let me guess. Dead end job and the elements are your worst fear?

Bwahhaha, coming to get you, you little racist bee!

You are green as grass, boy. And they are what else, you little booger? You.

Hey, B.O., we don't put up with that here do we? Haw haw, Lorna Doom, come forth.

I live to see little boys like you in close quarters and see your eyes shift back and forth, see you look to see that your car door is locked.

Josephine as usual dropping the racist word towards a progressive. Pretty normal for JoeBlob. Funny how the Racist in Chief does that all of the time, eh Joe/Sanchez/Josephine.

Well lookie here. The trembling, filthy mutt bleating out his filthy messages for the entire day. And he's so enraged lately too. What's the matter, Fido? Did that deranged malignant narcissist Stanker Steve take your place in the dog house? LMAO

Warning! Warning! Kongo is near, appears to be a Tea Bag drop zone and he is the catcher. Open wide Kongo.

I made no reference to race. Why do they have to be black?

BTW Ilk i went to schools that were majority black first half of my life. So no I'm not afraid of anyone. In fact i can take care of myself if i needed to. I already have. I'd pay to see you in Whitelock after dark.

If you were on Whitelock, you were there to be a corrupt cop or to cop dope. Which cop is it, CP?

Probably both.

Is that you Frank?

Good call, Sanchez.

Where'd you libbie nutters dig up this libbie weeper "Darren"? What a filthy little creep he is. LMAO

what does that make Kongo? A Teabag drop zone? Open wide Kongo!

Darrin is Frank is Neil Armstrong is FIFA is Steve is jag. Obviously.

Not a Republican tough guy. Very successful in what i do. As for my kids at least i breed unlike your buggery kind. All talk. Care to tell me all this face to face? I'll pay you.

And what'll you do, CP? Pop tool? Bang him in his face? Make him dance on the end of a rope?

Play loud music and hook up electrical wires?

Thanks for your service!

Make him play tiddlywinks!

Anyone who supports the 2nd ammendment is a gun nut to the mindless left.

What's pathetic is false assumptions by the mindless. You don't even have to own a gun to be a 2nd ammendment advocate, or even an NRA member. The naive and complacent also make easy victims. Don't be so naive and complacent.. Ajnd remember, magazine size does not matter.. (which has be the "feel good"talk of the mindless for the past few weeks..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYYWXZ__1X0

I do not own a gun. Would love to see what you would if someone broke in your house while you were sleeping. Hide in the closet? lol

"Would love to see what you would if someone broke in your house while you were sleeping."

LOL They would have to get past my two GSD's.

Annexation was a perception. Sure the US lost militarily in most battles. But we completed the main objectives.

We kicked their arse in New Orleans.

No we didn't. The British forgot their ladders and they couldn't climb over the breastments so they left.

When I was down in NOLA for the Super Bowl I decided to give my Liver a rest so I went for a tour of the New Orleans Historical Collection. They are celebrating their part in the War Of 1812 and they had a huge exhibit about the campaign.

Simply profound, why do they call them "criminals"?